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[01:35] < Davbo-eee> nice to see someone else watches bsg ms-away

[01:37] < Davbo-eee> dont spoil this week though not seen it yet

[01:37] < Davbo-eee> just back from the pub

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[08:39] < vmlemon> Hah, http://www.johnmwillis.com/other/top-10-worst-captchas/

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[09:52] < MS-> morning

[09:53] < orphans> morning MS-

[09:53] < orphans> how it going?

[09:53] < MS-> Lawouach: Got your mail btw

[09:54] < MS-> orphans: hiya - good - sun is shining, nice weather. Got given an extra shot (by accident/free) of espresso in my coffee this morning which is great

[09:54] < orphans> that is good :)

[09:54] < MS-> yourself?

[09:54] < orphans> not too bad ta, although it's absolutely freezing here - I think I'm going to need to put gloves on soon :)

[09:57] < orphans> I saw on #gsoc that the assignments had been redone - did you get the extra you wanted?

[09:58] < MS-> we have. (We're still discussing)

[09:58] < MS-> but it's great that we have

[09:58] < MS-> :)

[09:58] < MS-> One less person to say "sorry" to

[09:59] < orphans> :) glad to hear

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[10:06] < MS-> I think if we had sufficient resources, there would be 12 people being mentored - however that's massively more than we have capacity for.

[10:07] < orphans> yeah, you working on about two per mentor?

[10:07] *** orphans digs for info :D

[10:26] < Lawouach> hello

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[10:28] < Chong> Good morning, everyone. Today's weather is really nice.

[10:28] < orphans> morning Lawouach, Chong

[10:29] < orphans> grr, all you Manchester folk and your sunnyness

[10:29] < Chong> yes.:-)

[10:30] < Chong> How about the weather in your city?

[10:30] < Chong> MS-: glad to hear that we have got one extra slot for gsoc.

[10:31] < orphans> Chong, grey and cold

[10:32] < Chong> orphans: sorry to hear about it.

[10:33] < Chong> But it may be good for sleep:-)

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[11:11] < vmlemon> Hi

[11:32] < MS-> vmlemon: hi

[11:36] < Chong> Hey vmlemon, MS-.

[11:36] < Chong> MS-: when can we know the final result of gsoc?

[11:38] < MS-> As soon as we know :)

[11:39] < MS-> Everyone is ranking and re-ranking right now, assigning mentors etc

[11:39] *** orphans crosses fingers

[11:42] < Chong> Thanks for your info, MS-. I see the result will come out this week from the time line on gsoc website.

[11:42] < MS-> Have you registered your id with NickServ BTW?

[11:42] < Chong> ***crosses my fingers here too

[11:42] < MS-> If you haven't then off channel messages won't be recieved ...

[11:45] < vmlemon> You can't send them either, if you haven't registered

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[11:48] < LawAtWork> back

[11:58] < Chong> not yet.

[12:12] < MS-> OK, I'm off for food

[12:12] < MS-> biab

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[12:17] < Davbo> afternoon all

[12:23] < vmlemon> Hi Davbo

[12:23] < vmlemon> o.O "I'm pretty sure 6000K refers to the color temperature, I don't think a streetlight could ever reach 5727 Celsius without frying people around it."

[12:25] < Davbo> how's vmlemon this lovely day?

[12:25] < Chong> It seems my nickname has already been registered my someone.

[12:25] < vmlemon> Ouch

[12:25] < vmlemon> I'm OK

[12:26] < Chong> afternoon, Davbo.

[12:28] < Davbo> good :) - ooo you got another slot MS-

[12:28] < vmlemon> Hmm, http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=496584&cid=22832334

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[12:32] < vmlemon> wi2

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[13:02] < Chong-> Off to a school seminar, see you all later.

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[13:53] < MS-> Davbo: indeed :)

[13:53] < Davbo> t'is good news!

[13:54] < MS-> Indeed. Means only 7 people (out of the good apps this is) get disappointed, rather than than 8.

[13:54] < MS-> The other couple of dozen would be disappointed anyway

[13:55] < Davbo> at least there is one more

[13:55] < MS-> Indeed :)

[13:55] *** orphans does maths - 12-7=5?

[13:55] < MS-> That's the current number, yes. I'm guessing/hoping that's it.

[13:56] < MS-> But some orgs numbers have gone down - but that appears voluntary

[13:57] < orphans> guess thats a nice number between the three of you

[13:57] < MS-> Yep. Much more than that isn't really manageable

[13:57] < orphans> yeah

[14:02] < Davbo> what proportion is that of all the apps you recieved MS-?

[14:02] < vmlemon> See you later

[14:03] < Davbo> cya vmlemon

[14:03] < MS-> Davbo: I don't know actually.

[14:03] < MS-> Probably a teeny weeny fraction

[14:04] < MS-> under 1/2% it looks like

[14:04] < MS-> Which sounds about right

[14:04] < MS-> That's based on a guess of overall figures

[14:04] < Davbo> Ah right

[14:04] < MS-> It's more than Dirac though for example

[14:05] < MS-> and obviously less than the python software foundation

[14:05] < orphans> how many did dirac get?

[14:06] < MS-> Less than half us

[14:06] < MS-> (in terms of apps & slots)

[14:06] < MS-> However I think overall its good

[14:06] < MS-> Since there were probably more dirac focussed apps this year than last

[14:06] < MS-> And a better selection of dirac apps too

[14:06] < Davbo> interesting

[14:07] < MS-> also, the number of apps in both cases kinda matches what's reasonable to mentor/turn away without disappointing too many people

[14:07] < MS-> OK, I have to write something completely unrelated now

[14:07] < MS-> (not here)

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[14:09] < orphans> heh, as do I - about 1000 words on flipping motion tracking

[14:11] < Davbo> Python Software Foundation

[14:13] < MS-busy> orphans: I would far rather that

[14:13] < orphans> :) swapsies?

[14:14] < Davbo> don't say that before you know what MS-busy is writing! :P

[14:15] < bcarlyon|lsrfm> He is writing about why the BBC should give him more money for being amazin'!

[14:16] < orphans> honestly, it could be a letter telling Mike Tyson I'm looking for a fight with my name address and phone number and I'd still rather be writing it than this report

[14:16] < orphans> it's getting very tedious :)

[14:20] < MS-busy> bcarlyon|lsrfm: Ha! I wish

[14:20] < MS-busy> Davbo: Good instincts

[14:20] < MS-busy> orphans: You really don't want to swap

[14:22] < orphans> MS-busy, I'll take your word for it :)

[14:22] *** orphans gets drafting that letter to Iron Mike

[14:22] < Davbo> hahah :)

[14:22] < orphans> Dear Mr Tyson (or should I say you big wussy girly-girly)

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[15:15] < Chong-> Afternoon, all.

[15:15] < j_baker> hello

[15:16] < Chong-> j_baker: hi, hows it going?

[15:17] < j_baker> Not too bad.

[15:17] < j_baker> How is everything for you?

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[15:20] < Chong-> I'm all right. today is a little busy, but the weather is very good.

[15:20] < Chong-> Though now it becomes groomy again:-)

[15:43] < Chong-> head for home. See you later.

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[15:43] < j_baker> biab

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[16:18] < Lawouach> back home

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[17:26] < vmlemon_> Hi

[17:31] < vmlemon_> kamaeliabot: dance

[17:31] Reply: does the macarena

[17:38] < vmlemon_> kamaeliabot: ecky

[17:38] Reply: Ptang!

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[19:13] < vmlemon_> Hi Davbo

[19:14] < Davbo> Hey vmlemon_

[19:14] < vmlemon_> Yay, I managed to download a song over Gnutella successfully, without any speed problems or server dropout issues

[19:15] < vmlemon_> it only took about 10 minutes, even though I probably have a slower connection than most

[19:15] < Davbo> lol :)

[19:17] < vmlemon_> I've put a screenshot of the client and the KPPP connection speed thing at http://house404.co.uk/frostwire1.png, if you're curious/have doubts...

[19:19] < Davbo> ah cool

[19:20] < vmlemon_> I don't think I'll go to the hassle/risk of trying to share it back over Gnutella whilst on GPRS, though

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[19:20] < MS-> evening

[19:21] < vmlemon_> Hi MS-

[19:21] < Davbo> Yeah i wouldn't bother either vmlemon_

[19:21] < Davbo> Hey MS-

[19:23] < vmlemon_> It'd be extremely slow, and I don't want to invoke the wrath of Orange/some weird Japanese recording industry board, should they cotton on to the idea of their users sharing ancient/fairly rare music files over Gnutella (although I'm effectively behind a gigantic NAT, and I know no-one other than myself who likes ZARD/Sakai Izumi's music) ;)

[19:23] < vmlemon_> Although the chance of the latter happening are extremely low

[19:24] < vmlemon_> I've always disabled sharing on Gnutella clients, though as a precaution

[19:25] < vmlemon_> I don't think I'll even bother trying BitTorrent...

[19:26] < Davbo> Yeah i'm more of a bittorrent man, not into any of those Gnutella clients

[19:27] < vmlemon_> I personally hate BitTorrent - even on ADSL, it seems slower than HTTP (even for very small (10MB or less) files), and it takes ages to actually get the download up to speed

[19:27] < vmlemon_> I remember spending weeks trying to download a 30MB file on it

[19:27] < vmlemon_> which would have taken under 20 minutes over HTTP otherwise

[19:28] < Davbo> Depends on the tracker really

[19:28] < vmlemon_> Although if you do manage to find a working torrent, and endure an indefinite period of waiting, you can find some interesting/otherwise hard to find things

[19:29] < vmlemon_> (I used to download various pieces of old/"abandoned" software (mostly OSes))

[19:34] < Lawouach> MS-, http://www.defuze.org/oss/misc/kamaeliacachegrind.jpg

[19:34] < Lawouach> Someone on #cherrypy showed me about KCacheGrind

[19:34] < Lawouach> so I did run a profiler on my XMPP test client

[19:34] < Lawouach> Look what I got :)

[19:34] < MS-> What am I looking at?

[19:35] < Lawouach> The UI is in French

[19:35] < Lawouach> well

[19:35] < MS-> Is that internals of the gc?

[19:35] < Lawouach> it's a representation of the output of the Python profiler

[19:35] < MS-> (essentially)

[19:35] < Lawouach> yeap

[19:35] < MS-> I don't know whether that's a good picture or bad

[19:35] < Lawouach> amount spent in each function call and how many times those function were called

[19:36] < MS-> Does look a bit like modern art though

[19:36] < Lawouach> :)

[19:36] < Lawouach> well it's good and bad

[19:36] < Lawouach> good because overall most of the time is spent on idling (time.sleep)

[19:36] < Lawouach> however it also shows the complexity of Kamaelia and Axon

[19:37] < Lawouach> considering the number of distinct calls made

[19:37] < Lawouach> anyway :)

[19:37] < MS-> I'm not sure that's per se a huge problem - when I first did the tests for eliminating the postman

[19:37] < MS-> ie direct delivery between boxes

[19:38] < MS-> my starting point was to write a simple relatively graphics intensive game

[19:38] < MS-> and benchmark that

[19:38] < MS-> and then mini-axon-ify that with direct deliveries

[19:38] < MS-> which is where the bouncing cat game comes from

[19:38] < MS-> the overhead of *that* was ~5% overall

[19:38] < MS-> I suspect with real axon it's higher though

[19:40] < Lawouach> I see.

[19:43] < MS-> That said this sort of profiling does look useful :)

[19:44] < MS-> It's a step up from some of the introspecting approaches we've done before

[19:44] < MS-> Though that can be useful too

[19:44] < Lawouach> Well the view helps a lot to quickly spot the potential guilty call

[19:45] < MS-> yep

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[19:57] < Chong-> Good evening, everyone.

[19:57] < vmlemon_> Hi Chong-

[20:01] < Chong-> vmlemon_: hows it going?

[20:01] < vmlemon_> OK

[20:02] < Chong-> good

[20:55] < vmlemon_> Hmm, any suggestions for semi-private SVN repository hosting?

[20:59] < MS-> The only svn repos that I know of are all on open source hosting websites

[21:00] < MS-> Oh, for people who keep asking on tenterhooks about slots and "am I in or not", it's probably worth mentioning

[21:01] < MS-> that there's been an email on the mentor list, stating that we should NOT contact students to let you are in/out

[21:01] < MS-> because Google wish to announce the accepted students on 21 April

[21:01] < MS-> This also makes sense considering that given all the re-ranking going on happens at different rates and could uncover clashes along the way

[21:02] < MS-> I know that's frustrating, but hey, we do our best :)

[21:04] < Davbo> :)

[21:04] < Davbo> not long now anyway

[21:25] < vmlemon_> Hah,

[21:25] < vmlemon_> [22:24] < probono> can we search for a free svn server?

[21:25] < vmlemon_> [22:24] < probono> one where this does NOT happen? --> https://OpenSVN.csie.org/

[21:26] *** MS- *eyebrow*

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[23:02] < Chong-> Got to sleep. Good night, all.

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